Keeping Santa Barbara Santa Barbara

roseThe Santa Barbara Parks & Recreation Department and the Santa Barbara Rose Garden Society are looking for volunteers to help with the annual pruning of the A.C. Postal Memorial Rose Garden in front of the Santa Barbara Mission. Pruning of the more than 1,500 roses begins this Saturday, January 11 from 9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Show up with work clothes (long pants and sleeves), pruners, a leaf rake, and a looper. Or, for more information, call the city Parks Department at 564-5433.

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20 Responses to Keeping Santa Barbara Santa Barbara

  1. historical January 10, 2013 at 3:20 pm #

    During the construction of the Mission,the “Rose Garden” was the pit where the bricks were formed…lye was used in this pit & any/all Chumash people who were murdered or died of illness were mixed in with the mortar to dissolve.
    This is where the Mission gets the number 3000 natives buried in cemetery.
    So as the roses get pruned,remember where you walk.

    • Anonymous January 10, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

      Love the chumash guy who comments here!

    • AAV January 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm #

      The actual number of murdered indigenous people was more like 4,000 according to markers removed around 1975. I wonder if there is a photo of the original marker?

  2. AXMAN January 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm #

    The only source for this “lye pit” story I’ve seen is from befuddled hippies who believe the Santa Barbara Mission is haunted. Any credible sources for this story?

  3. historical January 11, 2013 at 8:22 am #

    Axman….the answer is YES,there are credible sources for all of the historical info I present…
    BUT..I see you in particular,as someone who argues every point to exhaustion without NOTHING is going to convince you until you open your 3rd eye.
    As a Chumash history keeper,spiritual leader & ceremony leader, I MUST be honest & factual in my tellings of our history.
    If you got to know me, you would also realize the truth of my every word..
    Until that time, be appreciative that there is someone with the old knowledge who`s willing to share with non-Native peoples.
    The truth does`nt ALWAYS hurt…sometimes it opens the door & allows us to fly…

    • AXMAN January 11, 2013 at 8:43 am #

      In other words … you don’t have any credible sources for your claim.

  4. historical January 11, 2013 at 9:23 am #

    Axman….you`ve just proven my point…check & mate.

  5. el_smurfo January 11, 2013 at 9:39 am #

    I’ll chime in here and state I’ve never heard an archaeological study showing this “burial ground” either. Bones don’t “dissolve” in lye and, the fact is, if you find a single human remain during construction in this town, then entire project it on hold until a full scientific team is deployed. Somehow, this garden was planted, is regularly maintained and no evidence of this burial ground has ever surfaced?

    I also dispute the usage of the word “murdered”…it is well established that many Chumash died from non-native diseases, but no history I was ever taught locally had wholesale murder of the very people the Church was trying to “save”.

    I love living here and learning about this history of this area, but hyperbole and arguments from pure emotion such as these above serve only to muddy the historic record and lessen the rightful sympathy for a formerly oppressed people.

  6. historical January 11, 2013 at 10:20 am #

    El Smurfo…..incorrect again.

    • el_smurfo January 11, 2013 at 10:38 am #

      Care to cite some references for your opinions?

  7. AXMAN January 11, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Lye isn’t used in making adobe bricks, or in the adobe mortar to hold the bricks together.

    Lye was used by the Mission when tanning hides in the tanning vats, but it’s hard to imagine the padres would cram thousands of dead Chumash, one at a time, into the tanning vats, for no apparent reason.

    • el_smurfo January 11, 2013 at 11:30 am #

      Perhaps he meant Lime, which could have been a component of the cement used to hold the bricks together. Regardless, just shows how superstition reported as historic fact diminishes both.

  8. historical January 11, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

    You 2 are perfect for each-other,or are the same person…
    I would guess that you represent some SB faction ie: Mission,Presidio,Museum?
    You want proof beyong the truth of my words?…ok,
    but 1st put something of value[ $10,000 min] on the table & I will show you the proof you seek.

  9. Editor January 9, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

    Vintage Vault… comments above from 2013 post.

    • el_smurfo January 9, 2014 at 4:04 pm #

      That guy was hilarious…probably posts as “ChumashWisdom” these days.

      • zeker January 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm #

        Definitely the same guy, the smug-mystical tone and weird punctuation are dead giveaways. Most of my ancestors are likely buried under Autrostrada A9 in northern Italy. I think of them warmly while sipping a cappuccino, but don’t assign any msysto-gibberish to their “spirits” nor do I make any present day claims on the land.

        • Kemosabe January 10, 2014 at 6:03 pm #

          Even the concept of the Noble Savage was a White Man’s illusion, but it looks like Chumash Wisdom bought into this ruse lock, stock and barrel..

  10. Choo Choo, the truth train January 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm #

    Why didn’t the Chumash stick to their own business and not hang around the mission for handouts and to steal things? There was plenty of room for them to continue with their subsistence lives in the vast tracks of lands their small numbers populated.

  11. Anonymous January 11, 2014 at 1:21 pm #

    Why hang onto the past? Even if a Chumash burial trough exists under the Rose Garden, what are we supposed to do about it? Tip toe through the roses? If it’s true then show the evidence to the City and the place will be shut down tomorrow and dug up to find the evidence. Just to make a claim about it, to induce guilt in those who enjoy the rose gardens? The Chumash came and went. The Church came and went as well as a political power, to be replaced with the Constitution. Some civilisations last several thousand years, like the Native Americans, and then perish. It’s the circle of life, which I’m sure as a Chumash one would understand that. The current inhabitants will perish as well someday. Change is the only constant, we must go with it or perish resisting it. As for the bones, to the earth they return to support life again, maybe the beautiful roses in this case.

    • Dead ends January 11, 2014 at 4:30 pm #

      Considering the Chumash have been in this area for 13,000 years, there must be a lot of burial grounds that require no trespass signs. What in their native religion requires in perpetuity this veneration of the corporeal body?

      Apparently there is no spirit world in Chumash, if the deceased body itself must be protected so assiduously. Did they practice mummification like the Egyptians assuming the body would partake in whole in the afterlife?

      These questions will need to be asked about the continued veneration of our burial grounds hundreds of years from now, especially those acres of solemn graves from WWII on foreign soil. Haunting.